{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/n58cf9mg28/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Indie Author Project Expert Session: Traditional-to-Indie Publishing"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/166/original/LYRASIS_Learning.png?1631557479","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Instructor"]},"value":{"en":["Cynthia Swanson"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWhile many indie authors dream of “being discovered” – i.e., taking an indie-to-traditional publishing path – for some authors, it goes in the other direction. What does it take for a traditionally published author to go indie? Whether you’ve been published traditionally, indie, or you’re not yet published, this session will explore what goes into the indie decision, the pros and cons of this publishing method, and the must-have attributes of a successful independently published book.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIntended Audience\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIndependent/self-published authors\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePresenter\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eCynthia Swanson is the New York Times and USA Today bestselling author of the psychological suspense novels The Bookseller, The Glass Forest, and Anyone But Her. In addition to being named 2025 Indie Author of the Year by the Indie Author Project, Cynthia has won the Indie Author Project contest in Mystery/Thriller, received the Colorado Book Award, the WILLA Literary Award, and been a finalist for the High Plains Book Award and the Colorado Authors League Award. She is also the editor of the Colorado Book Award winning anthology Denver Noir. She lives with her family in Denver. Find Cynthia online at www.cynthiaswansonauthor.com and follow her on Bluesky (cynswanauthor) and Substack (The What If Journal).\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eLyrasis Learning events are delivered using the Zoom videoconferencing platform and will have AI-generated captions available. American Sign Language (ASL) interpretation is available upon request. If you need ASL or other accommodations to support your participation in the course, please contact us at es@lyrasis.org at least 2 weeks in advance of the event or as soon as possible.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2026-01-22"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWhile many indie authors dream of \u0026ldquo;being discovered\u0026rdquo; \u0026ndash; i.e., taking an indie-to-traditional publishing path \u0026ndash; for some authors, it goes in the other direction. What does it take for a traditionally published author to go indie? Whether you\u0026rsquo;ve been published traditionally, indie, or you\u0026rsquo;re not yet published, this session will explore what goes into the indie decision, the pros and cons of this publishing method, and the must-have attributes of a successful independently published book.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIntended Audience\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIndependent/self-published authors\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePresenter\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eCynthia Swanson is the New York Times and USA Today bestselling author of the psychological suspense novels The Bookseller, The Glass Forest, and Anyone But Her. In addition to being named 2025 Indie Author of the Year by the Indie Author Project, Cynthia has won the Indie Author Project contest in Mystery/Thriller, received the Colorado Book Award, the WILLA Literary Award, and been a finalist for the High Plains Book Award and the Colorado Authors League Award. She is also the editor of the Colorado Book Award winning anthology Denver Noir. She lives with her family in Denver. Find Cynthia online at www.cynthiaswansonauthor.com and follow her on Bluesky (cynswanauthor) and Substack (The What If Journal).\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eLyrasis Learning events are delivered using the Zoom videoconferencing platform and will have AI-generated captions available. American Sign Language (ASL) interpretation is available upon request. 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Uh, thank you so much for being here today and joining us for this indie author project expert session.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=6.0,14.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"traditional to indie publishing with the 2025 Indie Author of the Year, Cynthia Swanson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=14.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My name is Nash Steele, and I'm with the Indie Author Project team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=21.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, before we get started today, I have just a couple quick housekeeping notes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=25.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so everyone is currently muted, but we would love to hear from you, so if you have any comments or questions, feel free to put those in the chat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=30.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, or you can use the Q\u0026A section of your Zoom control panel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=39.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'll keep an eye on those throughout the session, and we'll have time at the end for a Q\u0026A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=45.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, also, this session is being recorded, and we'll be sending you a link to the recording in the next few days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=51.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we'll put that on our website as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=58.0,61.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so now that we've gotten those housekeeping items out of the way, I'm really excited to pass it on to our panelists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=61.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, Cynthia Swanson. Cynthia is the New York Times and USA Today best-selling author of The Psychological suspense novels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=68.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The bookseller, the glass forest, and Anyone But Her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=76.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In addition to being named 2025 Indie Author of the Year, Cynthia has won the Indie Author Project Contest in the Mystery and Thriller category.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=81.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"received the Colorado Book Award, the Willa Literary Award, and has been a finalist for the High Plains Book Award and the Colorado Authors League Award.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=90.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's also the editor of the Colorado Book Award-winning anthology Denver Noir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=101.0,111.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yay, thank you! Thanks, Nash. Thanks, Shania. It's really good to be here, and thanks everybody who is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=111.0,117.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who has joined us. I really do appreciate having everybody here. I see that we have a lot of participants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=117.0,122.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we've got about an hour, and so I'm gonna kind of go through things a little bit quickly, but I do want to let you know that, um, there is a handout, and Nash, if she hasn't yet, will make that available to you, and it also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=122.0,134.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"will be available later. So, um, don't worry too much if you miss something, you will get an opportunity to see those pieces later on for your own reference for later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=134.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, um, let me tell you a little bit… now I told you a little bit about me. I will go a little further into that. Again, I'm the author of, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=143.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three novels, the bookseller and, um, Harper, or the bookseller and the Gosforce both came out from traditional publishers, the booksellower from Harper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=150.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 2015 in the Glass Forest from Touchstone, which is an imprint of Simon \u0026 Schuster, in 2018.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=158.0,165.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, in 2022, I was the editor of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=165.0,170.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Denver Noir, which is part of a series of noir books that are set in cities all over the country and all over the world from a small press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=170.0,178.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"called Akashic, and so I was an editor and also a contributor, I have a story in that collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=178.0,183.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then my third novel, or… and fourth book, is Anyone But Her, and that came out in 2024, and you'll see that there's a publisher listed there. That publisher is Columbine York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=183.0,192.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, Combine York is my publishing imprint that I created for, um, indie publishing my book, and we'll talk a little bit about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=192.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why you might want to do that as we go further into the presentation, but it was, um, which is a little unusual, is that I started out with three traditionally published books, uh, two of them with the Big Five and one with the small press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=200.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I self-publish my fourth book. So, um… So let me tell you a little bit about that. This is kind of going to be the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=211.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Reader's Digest condensed version of my very strange publishing path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=218.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, but the bookseller, as I said, came out from Harper in 2015. I, um, I got my agent in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=224.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"2013, it was my first novel that I. It was the first novel that I had an agent for, it wasn't the first novel that I wrote, um, but it was the first one that really had legs, and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=232.0,241.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and I got an agent, and she sold it to Harper in a preempt, which means they had more than one editor who wanted it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=241.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so they made me a very nice offer on that book, and it was a pretty big deal book when it came out. It was translated into 18 languages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=247.0,255.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's been, um, optioned by Julia Roberts, and actually still is optioned by Julia Roberts to potentially be a film. Um, and it's done very well. It's been an extremely successful book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=255.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But for a variety of reasons, um, which I won't go deeply into, I was orphaned from Harper, which means that I didn't have them as a publisher anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=265.0,273.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, for my second book, um, my agent went to Simon \u0026 Schuster, went to Touchstone, which was an imprint of Simon \u0026 Schuster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=273.0,280.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, um, they made me an offer on my second novel, The Glass Forest. All my books are standalone psychological suspense, so this wasn't a series. Um, but, um, it was in the same genre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=280.0,291.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, um, TouchStone made me an offer on that book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=291.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were fantastic, I loved them. 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It was a leap of faith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=390.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a new agent, um, I was afraid that she might, you know, like, dump me over it, but she actually was incredibly nice about it, and she actually did end up selling the audio of the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=395.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it's traditionally published in audio, and I did the print and e-book on my own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=404.0,409.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, that is, like I said, the Reader's Digest, uh, condensed version of the story. That was in… the book came out in fall 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=409.0,417.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as Nash mentioned, it won the Indie Author Project in Mystery Thriller that fall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=417.0,423.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It won the Colorado Book Award the next year in Thriller, and it's… it's been very successful. Um, not… with the numbers of sales that my… Big Five books published, but… but I'm happy with how it has gone, and my readers, and that is key, are happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=423.0,438.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's going to be a link to this. This is, um, my full saga. I wrote a post for Jane Friedman, who I highly recommend everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=438.0,446.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fowl, she's a publishing guru, and she knows everything. Um, but I wrote a post for her blog called… my first novel was New York Times bestseller, I'm self-publishing my third novel today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=446.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that came out the day that, um, anyone but her was published. So, you can go check that out, and again, there'll be a link for that that's available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=456.0,464.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's the short version, and I did want to keep that short because I do want to make sure we're going through and leaving plenty of time for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=464.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everything I want to talk to you about, and lots of time for your questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=470.0,475.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, just quickly on these terms, I flew through a lot in this story, so… and this, again, will be available for you, but especially if you're kind of new at publishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=475.0,484.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, or just starting to explore your publishing options. These are some of the terms that I'll probably throw out as we talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=484.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these are what they mean. 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Um, and they will give you, often, some guidance on promotion and distribution, but there was… but you as the author are responsible for all the aspects of that, and all the costs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=693.0,704.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if you want print copies, you can order them from the press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=704.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's hybrid publishing. Self-publishing is when you basically do all that yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=708.0,714.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You, um, you acquire or you self-provide your editing, your cover design, your interior page design.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=714.0,721.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you do all those technical aspects, like getting your ISPN, getting your copyright, um, all that, getting it uploaded to, um, different, you know, Amazon and other sites, and you take care of all distribution, um, and you manage and pay for any marketing that you decide to do for your book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=721.0,737.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and if you want print copies, you can order them from various companies online, including Amazon and IngramSpark, and I'll talk more about IngramSpark later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=737.0,746.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know I'm going kind of quickly, so Natal, if there's any questions that we… that are burning and that we have to answer right away, I can do that, otherwise we can hold them for later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=746.0,754.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, I think we're good for now, I think we can wait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=754.0,755.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think we're good for now. Okay, okay, cool. Okay. Um, indie publishing is the same as self-publishing, um, but it really has become the preferred term for a lot of indie pub authors. It's my.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=755.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"preferred term when I talk about indie pubbings, um, anyone but her that's… and, you know, I will say, most of the time, I'll say that I indie pubbed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=767.0,775.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not that I self-pubbed it. And the reason is because I feel like that term, and I think a lot of people who are in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=775.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, in the indie pubbing world, it connotes a lot more positivity and more of a collaborative aspect, because.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=780.0,788.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're… you're working with a team. 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If you really want it to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=800.0,812.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As professional, as a traditionally published books, then I think you really do need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=812.0,818.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to put in the work to hire a team for those professional aspects of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=818.0,825.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So… excuse me. If you're thinking about this for yourself, and I know we probably have people on this call who are coming from a variety of different places, some may have been traditionally published before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=825.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some of you are probably indie published or hybrid published, and you're kind of… thinking about going down a different path. So there could be different things that you're thinking about, but if you're kind of concerning what is the publishing path that's right for me? 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Um, the… one of the first big ones, and I'm a big fan of the question, why, is why do you want to publish your book? What… what is it about this book that makes it that you really want to publish this book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=867.0,880.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In my case with anyone but her, I really believed in that book. I believed in that book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=880.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for a long time. I worked on it. From the time that I wrote the first word until it was published was 5 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=885.0,892.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's interesting because I've talked to, like, book clubs and stuff, and they're like, well, of course you wanted to publish it, you worked so hard on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=892.0,899.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's not it. It's not about you worked hard on it. I'm sure everybody that's here is working hard on their writing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=899.0,905.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, but it's more than that. It's, it's, to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=905.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's got to be a gut feeling that, like, this is a good book. This… this book deserves to be out in the world, which doesn't mean that you don't work with editors and make sure of those pieces.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=909.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you really have that sort of gut-strong feeling in your heart that this book is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=919.0,924.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It should be out in the world, for whatever reason. In my case, um… Before I told my agent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=924.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that I was going to self-publish or indie publish anyone but her when we'd kind of been going through all those presses and we weren't getting anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=932.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, the next thing I did when I made that decision was I went back to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=938.0,943.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My developmental editor that I'd worked with on the bookseller, my very first book, and developmental editor, somebody kind of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=943.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"read your book on a very high level and kind of points out some stuff that might be, you know, a key issue that… or some key issues that you really need to address.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=949.0,956.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I basically said to her, I'm like, is this book publishable? 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So that's something to keep in mind with that why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1022.0,1027.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, how important are each of these things to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1027.0,1031.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"getting the book out quickly. If that's important to you, definitely be thinking about Indeed, because it's a lot faster. Traditional publishing, and this is after you get your agent, after you sign with your agent, which can take a long time to find the right agent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1031.0,1044.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But after you do that, um… and they start submitting to oppress, once you get an offer from a press, it's usually 12 to 18 months before a book comes out with most traditional presses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1044.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sometimes it's a little less, sometimes it's a little more, but that tends to be the range. 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And that meant I was doing a lot of work in those 6 months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1066.0,1076.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But 6 months is a lot different than 12 or 18.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1076.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, singing in bookstores and or libraries. This is, um… it's a big question of whether you… whether this is important to you. 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They will put the marketing money and time and effort that they want, and there's not much you can do about it, and then you can do additional things on your own that you pay for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1199.0,1211.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as a traditionally published author, um… But if you're any publisher doing that all on your own. 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Um, for a guaranteed income, and I put this one in because I think it's funny, but I mean, if you… if you're traditionally published.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1231.0,1241.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Most of the time you get an advance, and advances can be anywhere from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1241.0,1246.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, low four figures up to six figures, and it… it really just depends on the publisher, it depends on the situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1246.0,1253.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, and there are publishers now, especially small presses, who don't even offer advances. They can't do it anymore, but they still take care of everything, all your… production costs for free. So, um… And in advance, I mean, if you think about it, even if you get something like a $10,000 advance, you know, if you spread that, first of all, you go sum to your rate, you're 15% to your agent, you give some to Uncle Sam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1253.0,1275.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, um, you know, and then you spread it over a couple years. It's really, it's not a ton of money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1275.0,1281.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I wouldn't advise looking to traditional publishing as your way that you're going to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1281.0,1287.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, make your way to riches. Like, you might get lucky and get one of those six-figure advances, they still happen. 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Um, so that's something to be really thinking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1338.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, this kind of goes a little bit to what we were just talking about, some of these pros and cons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1344.0,1349.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so if you're gonna indie publish, some of the pros of it are the control. 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You're the one who's making the decisions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1354.0,1361.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're traditionally published, um, you will get input on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1361.0,1365.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the content of the book from your editor at your publishing house, and you can always push back, but you're gonna have to kind of find.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1365.0,1372.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that middle ground. 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Um… And anything else that you want to do with the book, you know, any other rights if you want to sell it to, you know, international publishers, or try to, you know, if you want to do audio, we'll talk about that. If you want to try to sell it to the movie business, all of that is up to you. Whereas that's not always the case with traditional publishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1401.0,1420.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and speed. 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You really do have to be thinking about that and put together your budget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1426.0,1431.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"figure out what your threshold is, what your comfort level is for putting into that, and you will need to make a financial investment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1431.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, the distribution, as we talked about, is a little bit tough as far as bookstores and libraries. 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There's no guarantee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1495.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and you're either ors. Um, vetting, like, who's vetting it? Who's deciding that this is a good book? 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Blurbs are like, you know, you read on the back of the book from some other author that they read it, and I couldn't put this book down because it was amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1563.0,1574.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so getting those blurbs from other authors is… It's a little easier if you're traditionally published, because a lot of times your agent or your editor will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1574.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get on board and work their relationships to try to find authors that are writing in your genre that might blurb your book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1585.0,1591.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're self-published indie published, you're going to have to do that on your own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1591.0,1595.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, again, there's the word again. 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If you don't make that money back. I had a particular amount of money that I decided this is my budget, that I can spend getting this book out in the world, and if I never make a dime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1671.0,1682.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I don't get that money back, I'm going to be at peace with that because I got the book out. 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Optionally, you can go to Barnes \u0026 Noble Press, Cova, which is another e-book distributor, Google Books, and other book distributors. 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Okay, um, do you want to go wide or Amazon only? This is another decision to make. Um, Amazon rewards indie authors who publish their e-books exclusively with them. That's a program called KDP Select.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1966.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that is something you do. They reward you with more promotion, um, and more visibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=1980.0,1985.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, if you do that, then you cannot sell your book anywhere else, including on your own website, and that is the restriction that Amazon puts on. 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It cannot be purchased on eBook platforms besides Amazon. It can only be purchased on Amazon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2007.0,2014.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay? You know what, that's not supposed to say e-book's supposed to say your print book, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2014.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I apologize for that typo. It should say your print book. Your print book can be purchased in other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2019.0,2024.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so you can always get your print book through other places, but you have to decide how you feel about e-books, whether you want to be just on Amazon or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2024.0,2031.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's something to be thinking about. Um, audiobooks, I do recommend doing. Um, they're popular, um, so if you can do an audiobook, do it. You can do that after the print and the e-book releases. You don't have to do it at the same time. You could, like, wait and see if you're making a profit, and then put some money into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2031.0,2048.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and if your book is doing well, you can sometimes pitch the book to an audiobook publisher without an agent. 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And sometimes they will make you an offer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2055.0,2061.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, ACX's Audiobook Creation Exchange, that's Amazon's, um, indie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2061.0,2065.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pub audiobook producer. You will be only on Amazon, but you can work with a narrator. Watch out for the ones that are AI.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2065.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and you choose your terms, and so that's an availability. I don't… I didn't do that because I do have a traditional publisher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2073.0,2079.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for my e-book, for anyone but her, but it is an option that is available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2079.0,2085.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, okay, so just some things about managing your expectations and doubts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2085.0,2090.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here's some things that you can do that just kind of help overcome that. 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You owe it to yourself, you owe it to your future readers to put out something amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2102.0,2109.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and make sure you know your goals, as we talked about earlier. Make sure you've got that clarified in your own head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2109.0,2114.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and clarify those reasons why you chose this publishing path. Don't just do it because you feel like you're resorting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2114.0,2120.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2120.0,2123.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and practice stating those reasons aloud, succinctly and confidently, because people will ask you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2123.0,2129.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, India Publishing is… it does not have the stigma it used to, but that's changing slowly, and there will still be people… I get this all the time, who are like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2129.0,2137.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, you published it yourself? 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Um, just know that everybody experiences that, every author, every author does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2155.0,2163.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and just keep in mind that if you're publishing a book, you've already done more than most aspiring authors ever do. There are so many people who say, want to publish a book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2163.0,2171.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and… and never do it. So, if you're publishing a book, go ahead and pat yourself on the back. You've already done a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2171.0,2177.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that a lot of people don't ever do. assume a great outcome. Um, just, you know, maintain your positivity and assume that things will be great. And then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2177.0,2186.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Be willing to adjust your idea of what a great outcome is. So be realistic, know what is great, and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2186.0,2191.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, take those wins when you get them, and know that, like, not everything is going to be a win, but you… but you, you know, focus on the things that are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2191.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Celebrate other authors' successes. Again, this goes back to relationships. I can't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2200.0,2204.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"emphasize this enough. Build your relationships with other authors. Be a good literary citizen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2204.0,2210.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, this is how you do this. You just, you become their cheerleader. You… you go to their events, you buy their books, you tell your friends about their books, you write reviews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2210.0,2218.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you posted in your newsletter, you know, you get out there and you talk about other people's books, so it's not just always me, me, me, and my book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2218.0,2226.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, that is really how you build those relationships, and that is how you get people to do the same thing for you, which you don't… you don't do it because you want people to do it for you, you do it for… the love of building those relationships, and they are rewarding on their own, even if nobody ever says a nice thing about your book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2226.0,2241.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you will find that the more that you do it, the more that people will do it back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2241.0,2245.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and then realize that every author is on their own path. 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So those people that kind of give you attitude about getting indie publish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2245.0,2253.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just ignore them, because it's your path, and if it's the right path for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2253.0,2258.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then that's the path you're on, and… Again, have your reasons for it and be doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2258.0,2265.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, here's some things you can do to boost yourself after the book comes out, um, to keep up that confidence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2265.0,2272.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"write another book. Um, I cannot recommend that more. I have two that I'm working on right now, one that's, that's, uh, basically done, and one that's in progress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2272.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that really helps, you know, so that you're not completely… and I… and I have 3 that came out traditionally before anyone but her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2280.0,2286.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the more books you have out, the more you're not putting all your eggs in one basket and thinking about, oh, how's it doing? How's the one book doing? How's this happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2286.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so just keep, you know, keep up your writing, keep thinking about what's, what's the next project, what's the next book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2295.0,2300.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Publish that next book. Um, when you're ready, and going through that same process and putting it through the vetting, and through all the professional steps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2300.0,2307.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Get that book out there. Enter it in contests and awards, like the Yandi Author Contest. I learned about that through the Authors Guild, which I've been a member of for years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2307.0,2316.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I entered and was delighted to win, and then to have the additional honor of being named Indie Author of the Year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2316.0,2323.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it's just, you know, those things are… those options are out there, so I just… that… that helps you too. That's a confidence booster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2323.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and continue to foster those relationships with readers, with your fellow authors, with booksellers, librarians, media, anyone else connected to publishing and books. Just keep building up those relationships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2330.0,2341.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both online and in person, as much in person as you can, but also online. The more that you're doing that, the more that you find that this whole business is about those relationships. I always say writing is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2341.0,2352.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, maybe, like, 30% writing and 70% relationships. It's maybe not quite that… that far, but it is… there is a lot of this is relationship building, and it… that is a reward, and that is the fun, is being involved with readers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2352.0,2365.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with librarians, with people who were in the business, with booksellers, and it's just… that's where the fun is, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2365.0,2372.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, just make sure you're having fun with it. Um, don't… you know, you don't want to do it if you're agonizing over it. You want to do it because it is… you can't imagine not doing it, and because it's so much fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2372.0,2383.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which it is. Okay. Nash had to keep it to 40 minutes, and it's exactly 40, so I think we're where we need to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2383.0,2391.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2391.0,2392.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, great timing! Uh, thank you so much, Cynthia. That was such a great presentation. Um, I feel like you did such a great job of breaking down some really complicated concepts and processes in a way that was really easy to understand, so…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2392.0,2409.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, I really appreciate that, and I'm sure our audience members do too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2409.0,2414.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and yeah, like Cynthia said, it's time for a Q\u0026A, so if you have questions, feel free to put them in the chat, or you can use the Q\u0026A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2414.0,2423.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"um, box on your Zoom control panel, and we'll get to as many as we can, um, in the time we have left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2423.0,2429.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, to kick things off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2429.0,2438.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it totally is, and I… I will be completely honest, I have not solved the marketing conundrum, but I will tell you this, I mean, I've tried, you know, I've tried some Amazon ads, I haven't done Facebook ads, but I've tried some Amazon ads.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2438.0,2450.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, um… What's the tool? Oh, Publisher Rocket is really good for kind of helping figure out how to run those ads, if you're gonna run them, but again, this is getting in bed with Amazon, and you have to decide whether you really want to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2450.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, but… and that's one way to do it, is to kind of run those ads and put that investment in. I've not found it to work great for me, but I also have not put the time into it. But I'll tell you this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2463.0,2474.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is that I… one of the things that I think is great about indie pubbing that's different than traditional publishing is that you've got a long tail. I mean, you… You… when you're traditionally published, how it usually works is your book comes out, and your publisher makes a big deal about it for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2474.0,2492.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they move on to the next thing, and the next author, until your next book comes out. Whereas when you indie pub, you can keep talking about your book forever. I mean, my book has been out for a year and a half, and I'm still talking about this book every single day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2492.0,2505.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, whether it's over social media, it's in my Substack, it's wherever it is, it's doing events like this, it's being out in person, I still get asked to do in-person events all the time in my Denver area where I live.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2505.0,2516.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, um, I think, you know, as far as marketing, again, it goes back to building those relationships and just realizing that you've got that long tail. Like, you don't have to do everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2516.0,2525.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the day the book comes out, you don't have to feel that pressure. You can just kind of keep playing with it a little bit as things go along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2525.0,2534.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's really helpful, thank you. Um, another question, how many advanced reader copies would you recommend for an indie novel by a debut novelist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2534.0,2545.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Depends on what you're going to do with them. I think… What I did was, um, I put together a media list, because… and because of having my traditional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2545.0,2552.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, background, I did know a lot of people in my local media, so I basically made a big media list because I knew that I wanted to be able to give them a print advance copy if.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2552.0,2561.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They wanted it. Um, and then I had some other people that I wanted to give them to, too, that I wanted to get blurbs from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2561.0,2568.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I just kind of figured out what the number was based on the number of people that I wanted to be able to give them to, and I see a question there about Goodreads giveaways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2568.0,2577.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so I actually did some for that, too. I did some ARCs, um… that I did a Goodreads giveaway of, that was one thing that I did, and I actually do think that was helpful, like, because it got a lot of people to put the book on their to-be-read list, so… and it still probably sits on their to-be-read list, and sometimes they'll sit there forever, but then if you run a special and they're like, oh, I know that book, and now it's on sale, I'm gonna go get it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2577.0,2596.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so I think you kind of have to… there's no… perfect number. It's… it's figuring out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2596.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what you're gonna do with those arcs, and how many copies that's going to require.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2603.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, this is a related question. Did you use NetGalley for ARC reviews?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2610.0,2615.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I did, and I did it through a co-op called Victory Editing. Um, they… which… which keeps the cost way down for NatGalley, um, and I definitely recommend checking them out. They were great. You can run it for… I think the shortest is a month, up to, you know, as long as you want, and it was, I want to say, 60, 70 bucks a month, something like that. It wasn't much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2615.0,2637.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when you do it through that co-op. Um, so… and they're really good, and I would definitely do them again. And I did find that to be really helpful. Netgalley is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2637.0,2646.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, just gives you a lot of options for getting your book out to other people, particularly librarians, um, who might not have read it otherwise before it comes out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2646.0,2657.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We do hear from a lot of librarians, too, through the Indie Author Project, that they use NetGalley, so that's a great one to be involved in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2657.0,2665.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2665.0,2666.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, another question, you kind of answered this in your presentation, but maybe if you could go into a little more detail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2666.0,2673.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, this person chose indie publishing, but they're finding brick-and-mortar stores reluctant to stock it merely because it's indie published. Um, do you have any solutions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2673.0,2683.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I mean, the best thing that you can do, again, is going back to developing those relationships with them. Like, are you, you know, are they, are you showing up that store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2683.0,2691.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for other things, um, you know, are you there going to their events? Are you supporting the store? Are you shopping there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2691.0,2697.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, are you… are you, you know, are you building up that relationship? And then the other thing that I would recommend is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2697.0,2704.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to have a very professional sell sheet for your book, which basically is a one-page that explains the book, provides any blurbs, provides a cover, provides the ISBN, provides the price, provides every piece of information that they need on a single.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2704.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sheet of paper, one side. Um, and so make sure you can leave that with them, so that they, you know, even if they say no right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2718.0,2726.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that they do have the option, you say, well, you know, can I leave you my one sheet, and you can take a look and maybe think about that. And most of them will say, sure, go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2726.0,2734.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you can always do that, and then just keep coming back, keep showing up. Think about the stores that are in your, you know, start with your local area, and… you know, start… just kind of start building those relationships as best you can. And you can always say… ask them if they do consignment. Some stores will do consignment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2734.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and that's a little more low risk for them. They will just take your copies on consignment, and if they sell them, they sell them, and if they don't, you take them back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2750.0,2757.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, that's another option for getting into indie bookstores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2757.0,2762.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I will say, having a sell sheet is great for libraries, too, if you want to get your print book into libraries, um, they really appreciate a sell sheet as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2762.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and someone asked, who is the co-op that you used with, uh, NetGalley? Did you say that was… Victory?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2772.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it's called Victory Editing. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2778.0,2780.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, I'll put that in the chat, too. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2780.0,2784.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, just look… you just Google Victoria, and it'll come up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2784.0,2791.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we had another question about getting into libraries, so this is a Canadian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2791.0,2798.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"indie author and publisher of the first fiction series about our national parks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2798.0,2803.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, they received an email from a Wisconsin librarian who purchased their 5 books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2803.0,2809.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, they've covered Canadian libraries, but is there a one-stop contact for U.S. Libraries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2809.0,2815.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To let them know about their series, um, who do I need to approach, or do I need to approach libraries independently? Any advice about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2815.0,2823.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, talk to Nash. I'm serious, like, if you have not entered your book in the Indie Author Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2823.0,2831.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then I highly recommend it. And the way that In the Author Project works is that you can get your eBook into libraries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2831.0,2838.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, you're not gonna make any money on it to start, but you will get it in there, and it gets… it gets a foot in the door. So that is a fantastic way to get started, and that is exactly what the Indy Author Project does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2838.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's… that's why they're a really, really good organization, especially when you're getting started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2850.0,2855.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because they will help get your book into American libraries. So, definitely, if you've not looked at the Indie Author Project deeply in their website, do look at it. Certainly enter the contest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2855.0,2866.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and… and, you know, but even if you don't win the contest, and now she can talk more about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2866.0,2872.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how it works if you… I know you can get… you can have your book on there, too, and I think… I'm not sure how the vetting goes for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2872.0,2879.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I know that you can have it be part of the Indie Author Project regardless of whether you won the contest or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2879.0,2885.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For sure, yeah, and thank you for all your kind words. But, um, I did put a link in the chat, too. It's a little bit further back, about how to submit to the Indie Author Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2885.0,2894.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can submit year-round, so you don't just have to submit to the contest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2894.0,2898.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and I'm actually doing an expert session like this in May, where I'm going to talk all about the Indie Author Project and how it works, and can answer all your questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2898.0,2907.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if you're interested in that, um, definitely attend, and I can put my email in the chat, too, in case anybody has questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2907.0,2915.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so another question, um, which you've kind of touched on a little bit too, what was the best promotion site or method to increase sales of your indie books?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2915.0,2927.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"best promotion site. Um… I would… I… someday, I might try to do a book bub. I've… I've applied for them. Bookbub is… is a, um… is a site where you have to have your… it's just an e-book. You have to have your e-book on sale, um, or free. Some people do it free.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2927.0,2944.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they… I don't… if you're not subscribed to BookBub, I actually recommend subscribing to it, because you will get… email in your… you'll get an email every single day, and it'll say, these books are for sale right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2944.0,2955.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, and I find that really helpful because I like to read the, like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2955.0,2959.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the little blurb about each book, which is literally, like, about 30 words long, if that, you know, and say, okay, who is getting a Book Bub deal? Because they don't take everybody. I did apply one time with anyone but her, and they turned me down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2959.0,2971.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and that was, I think, September last year. So I did some of the smaller ones, and there's some other, um, some other ones that are like that, and I'm not coming up with them off the top of my head, but I did do a few of those and ran a special.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2971.0,2982.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for 99 cents for the book. I think I just about made back my investment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2982.0,2987.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so I… again, this goes back to what I was just saying about the long tail of marketing, is that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2987.0,2993.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you gotta just try different things, because there's no one thing that works for everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2993.0,2997.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, you have to decide, you know, give something a try. If that doesn't work, then you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=2997.0,3003.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and you go on and do it again, you go on and try something else. So… I don't think that there's one particular thing. It's a matter of just kind of keeping on trying different things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3003.0,3017.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3017.0,3018.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I will say… sorry, I will say, too, that the other thing is I do a lot of promotion that's just my own. Like, I promote through… I put out a Substack every two weeks, and I do mention my book a lot. I have a very professional, what I hope is very professional website.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3018.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with buy links for every one of my books, my traditional and my IndiePub books. I try to make it easy for people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3030.0,3035.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to go and pick up a copy of the book if they want to, and make sure it's pretty visible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3035.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, for all of my books, particularly, though, for anyone but her, because that's the one where I'm, you know, I'm getting those very direct profits that are showing up every month.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3040.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so, yeah, that's another thing, too, traditionally published, if you're getting royalties, you only get them every 6 months, so… Whereas if you're IndiePub, do you get pubbed usually once a month by Amazon and other places in IngramSpark and places like that, so…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3048.0,3061.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, that's kind of nice. Um… But yeah, just make sure your book is visible, like, everywhere that it can be visible, so that, you know, so it's constantly out there, and you don't want to be one of these people who's, like, buying my book, buy my book, buy my book, like…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3061.0,3074.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it is… you kind of want to slip that in in… among other conversations as much as you possibly can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3074.0,3084.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we had the question in the chat, can you get wide distribution through KDP?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3084.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, someone answered yes, but do you have some more you want to add to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3090.0,3095.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I'm… well… This is… I'll tell you what I know, because I am white, and I have not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3095.0,3103.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wanted to go, um… to, um… Amazon exclusive, because as I said, I kind of have mixed feelings about Amazon. It's, you know, you kind of have to be there, but it's not my favorite thing in the world that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3103.0,3114.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That they control this market charming. I wrote… You know, I mean, the bookseller, my first book is, like, completely about an independent bookseller, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3114.0,3123.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I certainly have a bias toward people, like, purchasing books, whether it's e-book or print.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3123.0,3129.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in places other than Amazon. That being said, um, I do realize that, you know, if you're going to be indie published.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3129.0,3136.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They do have a market share, and you do want to be there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3136.0,3139.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I made the decision to go wide, I've continued to go wide. I've not been unhappy with that decision. Definitely most of my e-book sales are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3139.0,3148.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through Amazon, but interestingly, I do get more print through IngramSpark than I do through Amazon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3148.0,3154.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I don't know if that's because I do have those good relationships with indie bookstores, or if that's just coincidence, I'm not really sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3154.0,3161.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, um… The nice thing about doing KDP Select, if you decide to do it, is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3161.0,3167.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can do it, and then you can turn it off. Like, you can try it for a while, and if it's not working for you, you can turn it off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3167.0,3172.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So… but while you have it on, they are very restrictive about what else you can do. So you gotta, like, read the fine print and know what you're doing as far as it. I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect print, like, I think if you're.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3172.0,3184.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in KDP Select, and maybe somebody can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure you can still do your print.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3184.0,3190.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Through, um, Ingram. If you're… if you're… I think it only applies to the, um… To your eBook, pretty sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3190.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've actually been so impressed with the print quality, and it was one of the reasons that I was really hesitant to indie publish for a long time, is because if you think about indie pub books, like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3212.0,3222.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, 10 years ago, I mean, they looked like they were printed on copy paper, you know, they just, they looked terrible, and I mean, I remember seeing some of those early books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3222.0,3230.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And thinking I… and this was when I was, you know, when the bookseller first came out, which was in 2015.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3230.0,3235.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I was like, I don't want that. I would never want my book to look like that after I have this pretty book that Harper did offset printing for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3235.0,3242.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I actually think the print-on-demand for Mingham Spark and from Amazon and from a lot of the other places has gotten really good. The paper quality is way better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3242.0,3251.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, the cover is pretty good, and I'm talking about a pretty straightforward, you know, trade paperback book without graphics, you know, with just a nice-looking cover on it, and… You know, but I mean, this is my print book, and it… it looks pretty… it looks like artificially published book. It looks great. Um, so I've been happy with it from both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3251.0,3271.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, Ingram and Amazon. I have found that as far as shipping, if you want to get your own copies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3271.0,3278.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ingram is a little more expensive, um, but they tend to package them better. Amazon takes a long time to send author copies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3278.0,3286.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they have sent them to me with no padding around them, they're banged up when they get here. I've heard stories from other authors that have had the same issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3286.0,3295.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So even though I have to spend a little bit more money getting my print books from Ingram, that's where I get them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3295.0,3301.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, but I think that if you're a reader buying it off Amazon and it's coming in your Amazon carton with your other stuff, then they… then they… pack it carefully, the way that things normally come from Amazon. They just, for whatever reason, they do this to authors, which I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3301.0,3315.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Don't think is very nice of them, but they do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3315.0,3321.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we have another question that says, can you clarify how it works to have a traditional publisher for the e-book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3321.0,3329.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, for anyone but her, but I think you… anyone but her, the e-book is, uh, indie published, and your audiobook is traditionally published, is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3329.0,3339.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's correct, yeah. Yeah, so what happened is, when I went back to my agent, and again, this was a new agent, I'd only been working with her for about a year, um, and told her that I was gonna IndiePub the book, she said, I completely understand your position, and she said, do you want me to still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3339.0,3352.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tried to sell the audio, and I'm like, yeah, that'd be great, because that's one less thing that I have to do then. And so she did. So she found a traditional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3352.0,3359.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, audiobook-only publisher called Tantor, and so anyone but her is traditionally published through Tanter, so they.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3359.0,3366.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hired the narrator, and they did all the production and everything, and so, yeah, so that, to me, I was… I was very fortunate, because that… I didn't have to do, um, ACX or any other way of trying to get my audio out, and I would have done it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3366.0,3380.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would have done an audio. at some point otherwise, because I do think it's important to get audio out there if you can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3380.0,3387.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But yeah, I… I… yeah, I wouldn't… I don't think that you'd find a publisher who would do e-book only.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3387.0,3393.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And not do, um… your print. I have heard of some IndiePubbed authors now, though, who are doing the opposite, who are doing their own eBook.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3393.0,3402.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And especially if there are people who are kind of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3402.0,3405.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doing pretty well, maybe, with a series or whatever. So they negotiate a deal where they're doing their own e-book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3405.0,3410.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they have the publisher doing the print, um, which is kind of an interesting model, um, that maybe that's going to start coming along, because then you're getting that distribution into stores.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3410.0,3419.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But if you're somebody who knows how to indie pub, and you know how to put out an e-book, and you put an EPUB on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3419.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, Amazon and everywhere else, then… Why not just do it yourself, if you can negotiate that with your publisher, which I think is a really interesting model, and we'll see if we start seeing more of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3424.0,3435.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've actually heard of authors doing that too, it's really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3435.0,3438.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, yeah, it's kind of new, like, that we're starting to see that, but yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3438.0,3440.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Um, I think we only have time for one more question, but there is a lot of great, uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3440.0,3448.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"chatter going on in the chat with different recommendations of things people, um, have used, um, and… lots of, uh, great conversation happening there, so if you haven't checked it out, check it out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3448.0,3460.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, but our last question will be… this person said they would love to hear about why authors might decide to have their own publishing imprint when they're indie publishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3460.0,3470.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you for asking that question, because I did mean to go back to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3470.0,3473.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excuse me. the reason is professionalism. It just… it just looks more professional. You can, if you don't say anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3473.0,3482.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than on Amazon and other sites, it will just say independently published, and that's just their default that they put in there. And you can make your company anything you want. You obviously want to check that it doesn't exist, and you don't want to, like, make it, you know, you don't want to say HarperCollins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3482.0,3495.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, so you're gonna, you're gonna get nailed for doing that. So you kind of want to, you know, play around with it, come up with a company name that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3495.0,3502.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that makes sense for you, for whatever reason, maybe it's connected to your writing, connected to where you live, connected to something that makes sense for you. I've seen people do a lot of different things. And, you know, if you go Google it, like, if you went and Google Columbine New York, which is my… publishing company that I created, you're not going to find anything, but that's okay, because it's still… because readers don't know the difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3502.0,3522.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They see that, and they don't know who a publisher is. I mean, they know who HarperCollins is, they know who Simon Schuster is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3522.0,3528.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they don't… they want… like, they'd see Columbine, York for anyone but her, and see Touchstone for the Glass Forest, my second novel, and they wouldn't know the difference that Touchstone is an imprint of Simon \u0026 Schuster was, and that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3528.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Columbine New York is my publishing company that I created. So, that… it just… it just gives you that level of looking a little bit more professional when you're out there. Um, and so I do highly recommend that. I had my son, like, make me a logo. He does graphic design, and so he made me a logo for Columbine York, which is on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3540.0,3557.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the print of the book, and so I think, you know, if you do those kinds of pieces, it just gives you another little extra level of professionalism over and above just saying independently published.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3557.0,3569.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, thank you so much, Cynthia, and thank you for taking the time to answer all of those questions. Um, I feel like this was so helpful and such a great conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3569.0,3578.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, before we hop off here, do you have any last thoughts you'd like to add?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3578.0,3579.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3579.0,3583.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I do. I mean, I think it all comes down to trusting your gut. Um, anyone but her, to tell you just about the book, it's a mother-daughter story and a ghost story, but really the heart of this book is it's a book about trusting your gut, which.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3583.0,3595.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the character knows when she's younger and kind of loses along her way, and then I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3595.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Don't want to tell you what happens after that, but it's kind of interesting to me that, like, I wrote a whole book about trusting your gut, and then I went through this experience that was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3601.0,3609.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"made me trust my gut. So, I would say whatever you're gonna do, like, do your homework, do your research, but really you in your heart know what the right decision is for you. And so, just believe in yourself, and believe in your writing, and believe in your work, and write the best stand book you can, is really what it comes down to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3609.0,3625.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much, and thank you, everyone, for taking the time to be here today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3625.0,3631.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, just a couple quick notes before we go. You're gonna receive a link to the recording of the session in a few days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3631.0,3638.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'll also post it on our website, so you can access it there. Um, if you'd like to learn more about the Indie Author Project, you can visit indieauthorproject.com.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3638.0,3647.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we also do these expert sessions every other month. We have the next one in March, so be sure to check that out. You can find that information on the website as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3647.0,3656.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and yeah, thank you again, I hope you all have a great rest of your day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3656.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, everyone!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3660.0,3661.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560/transcript/89018/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3577/collection_resources/165065/file/300560#t=3661.0,3691.0"}]}]}]}