{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/m03xs5mh60/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Planting Seeds for Sustainability - LyrOpen Fair #1"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/166/original/LYRASIS_Learning.png?1631557479","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Instructor"]},"value":{"en":["Jason Colman","Philip Hearn","Tom Grady","Stephanie Kitchen","Robin N. Sinn"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis webinar will bring together partners that support publishers participating in Opening the Future to reflect on the role their infrastructures play in the program’s success. Speakers will discuss how established services underpin the discovery, distribution, and long term sustainability of open access books, work that is often essential yet largely invisible. The conversation will highlight how these partners, operating alongside one another, support knowledge mobility and contribute to sustainable approaches to open access book publishing across different disciplinary communities and regions. We’ll also talk about ways in which this community can be brought together to share knowledge and advocate collaboratively in making OA books freely available to all, globally, through Opening the Future.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2026-03-24"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis webinar will bring together partners that support publishers participating in Opening the Future to reflect on the role their infrastructures play in the program\u0026rsquo;s success. Speakers will discuss how established services underpin the discovery, distribution, and long term sustainability of open access books, work that is often essential yet largely invisible. The conversation will highlight how these partners, operating alongside one another, support knowledge mobility and contribute to sustainable approaches to open access book publishing across different disciplinary communities and regions. We\u0026rsquo;ll also talk about ways in which this community can be brought together to share knowledge and advocate collaboratively in making OA books freely available to all, globally, through Opening the Future.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["LYRASIS"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["LYRASIS"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/166/original/LYRASIS_Learning.png?1631557479","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/306/864/small/GMT20260324-160014_Recording_1920x1080.mp4_1774644233.jpg?1774644234","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - GMT20260324-160014_Recording_1920x1080.mp4"]},"duration":3667.34933,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/306/864/small/GMT20260324-160014_Recording_1920x1080.mp4_1774644233.jpg?1774644234","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-lyrasis.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/306/864/original/GMT20260324-160014_Recording_1920x1080.mp4?1774644229","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3667.34933,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Welcome to the Lear Open Fair. My name is Sharla Lair. I'm the lead strategist for open scholarship here at Lyricis. And before we jump into the festivities of this 1st webinar of the Lear Open Fair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=6.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to pass things over to my colleague, Jill Grog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=25.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much, Sharla. My name is Jill Grog and I'm a lead strategist for external engagement on the same team that Charlotte is on, the content and scholarly communication initiatives team at Lyricist. Again, we welcome you here. This is the first session of five planned for this year, the fifth annual Lair Open Fair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=29.0,50.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we're excited to engage with this scholarly communications and open communities. We really appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedules to join us. Recordings will be sent to all registrants as well as posted on the Lear Open Fair website.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=50.0,65.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A slide at the end of the presentation today gives you more information about upcoming sessions, as well as a link to the Lear Open Fair website. A few housekeeping issues. All participants are muted, but please feel free to enter your questions or comments in the chat or Q\u0026A functionalities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=65.0,83.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Facilitators will be monitoring those and holding the answers until the end, when there will be time for further discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=83.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you have any technical difficulties, we have Shania Belkin, our fantastic lyricist colleagues here with us to help troubleshoot those. So with that, welcome again, and I'll turn it over to our speakers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=92.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Jill. So today's webinar brings together partners who support publishers in the program called Opening the Future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=106.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're going to together look at how all of our work behind the scenes helps make the program successful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=116.0,127.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The guest panelists today are Jason Coleman, Director of Publishing Services from Michigan Publishing, Tom Grady, Work Package Lead from Opening the Future, which is a COPM open book futures project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=127.0,141.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Phil Hearn, the Publishing Relations Manager for Books at Project Muse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=141.0,146.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stephanie Kitchen, co-director of African Books Collective, and Robinson, Interim Associate University Librarian and Director of Collections and Open Strategies at Iowa State University Library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=146.0,159.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To start, I would like to hand things over to Tom Grady, who will walk us through the Opening the Future model. He'll explain how the program works, the benefits it offers to publishers and libraries, and the role opening the future partners play in making it all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=159.0,177.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks everybody for joining us today. I'll get straight into it. I'm not going to cover absolutely everything today because I want to leave room for questions. So please just jump in the chat if you've got anything specific that I missed out. But here goes. Shiloh, we got the first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=177.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"slide up. Would you mind popping that on the screen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=193.0,197.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like a life raft for me when I'm talking, having that pretty pictures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=197.0,203.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you see it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=203.0,208.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=208.0,209.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I can see it. Thank you. Yeah. So that's just I I mainly wanted that. So there's some contact details on there. If anyone wants to scribble those down while I'm talking. I won't go into the details of what the coping project is, but suffice to say, we're a funded group of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=209.0,220.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Librarians, publishers, infrastructure providers, and we're working together to bring about a kind of an alternative ecosystem for open access books. More on that in the chat and the Q\u0026A if you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=220.0,235.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So to the to the opening the future program for anyone that's not familiar with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=235.0,242.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll explain how it's been operating. Then I'll backtrack and talk about why we created the program in the 1st place. I want to do it in that order for a reason. Charlotte, next slide, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=242.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we actually wanted to call… call the program Backlist to the Future. But at the last minute we got complete about litigation from Warner Brothers. I do think this this does describe the program very succinctly, though, so I wanted to mention it. For those of you that don't know the program, it's a collective funding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=251.0,269.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"initiative. It pulls contributions from multiple libraries so that no single library bears a disproportionate burden, and its main aim is to fund new urban access publishing. So, member libraries pay for access to a set of paywalled books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=269.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that are hosted by the platforms joining us on today's call. But the innovation here is that the library fees go towards only publishing new front list books in open access format at the participating publishers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=285.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the ring fence, sorry, the publisher kind of ring fences that library money and puts it towards OA only and the costs associated with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=297.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the more libraries the program has, subscribing to the backlist, the more new books the publisher can produce open access. So backlist to the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=305.0,314.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shall the next slide, please? So you can see on screen now the presses we've been working with so far. There are more to come. These are all underpinned by infrastructure provided by organizations, some of whom are represented here today. So Lyricist, obviously, Jisk in the UK, who perform a very similar function in some ways to Lyricist, for those of you that are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=314.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are based outside the UK, which I'm guessing is most of you on this call. Also, Fulcrum, University of Michigan publishing Project Muse and the African Books Collective and platforming. We also underpinned by infrastructure platforming the outdoor access books through some of those providers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=336.0,353.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As well as through JSTOR and Awapen and BOAB. That's a lot of acronyms, so I can come back to those in the Q\u0026A if you like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=353.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Since launching in 2021, the program has generated around about $750,000, and has already funded in the region of 80 new open access books that would otherwise have been paywalled. So it works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=360.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there are more books to come. So that's a bit about the model and where we're at it, where it's at today. I want to dwell more on kind of the genesis of that. So, next slide, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=375.0,388.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Charla, thank you. So. I want to question here. Why do we even need a collective model like this? Right? What's wrong with paying like we do for most articles? I'm sure many of you on the call are familiar with the most common method for funding open access articles is article processing charges Apcs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=388.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So why can't we do the same for books, book processing charges?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=407.0,412.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So globally, actually, that probably is the most common method adopted by publishers to fund their costs in producing open access books by charging author facing fees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=412.0,421.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I have some sympathy with the publishers, by the way. It's quite common practice to bash publishers and to bash BPCs, but… I have some sympathy because that model is by far the easiest to implement. It's really not that easy to just spin up an equitable and sustainable model that pleases every stakeholder from day one. Launch it on a Monday morning and just start making your books free to download. It's just not that easy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=421.0,446.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But one problem with the book processing charge is that it is economically unstable, unsustainable for just about everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=446.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The library, the author, and ultimately the publishers. Because more often than not, in the arts, humanities and social sciences, the scholars don't have access to the money needed to pay this way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=455.0,466.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"More often than not, their departments don't have that money lying around. That money is earmarked for purchasing acquisitions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=466.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very few have open access funds to the extent it's needed. And more often than not, the library also doesn't have that money. They may have open access funds they can tap into quite frequently for articles. But remember, books cost a lot more to produce than articles do, roughly about 10 times the price in some cases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=474.0,491.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, with author pays in removing barriers to readers, we instead erect a barrier to authors, and that's not great from an equity point of view. Charging these per book fees concentrates costs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=491.0,502.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the wealthy institutions, and it just doesn't scale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=502.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So even if it's true that the money is in the scholarly comm system, it's not in the right places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=505.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And sidebar, don't get me started on the money in the system being spent on mega journal deals through a handful of mega corporations. We can definitely talk about that one in the pub later or in the Q\u0026A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=512.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But non-research-intensive universities really suffer, I think, with this kind of one-per-book model.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=522.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think BPC is also privilege, a funded researcher. They privilege wealthy institutions and established academics with tenure. So I wanted to sort of say all of that. That's not to demonize this method of paying for open access books. I'm not saying there's no place for using them at all. But what I am saying is that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=528.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If we allow this to become the dominant model for funding OA books, then we're going to have a problem across the sector that is going to come home to roost quite soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=545.0,554.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there's also these ethical concerns of equity around Bpcs and alongside these financial concerns. For me, it's hard to see how the math will add up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=554.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I guess you might question, why am I banging on about this at such length? Shall the next slide, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=564.0,571.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because funding books in this way concentrates the costs on specific individual research problems, but projects, right? I don't think that's very good value for for money for libraries. I'm from a library background myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=571.0,584.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's not sustaining the press or their partners as a whole. Presses can't rely on ad hoc money like that, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=584.0,590.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They need to be able to plan in advance. They need to know what money is likely coming in next year. And a corollary of all of this is that we also need to ensure reliable funding for the underlying infrastructure of scholarly publishing, or what I like to think of as the plumbing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=590.0,605.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Author facing fees just pay for the one book and its costs, and not for the plumbing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=605.0,610.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So today we're kind of highlighting this often hidden layer of infrastructure. I think some of us we can take it for granted that some of our colleagues on the call, and we can take you for granted, because you're kind of almost beneath the plumbing, right? Beneath the publishers, and definitely beneath a program like Opening the Future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=610.0,627.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that includes all the other components of a publishing workflow. So we've got a discovery layers, platforms, metadata production, dissemination of metadata, aggregation of titles, hosting, archiving, even the invoicing and the advocacy, right? Publishing academic books is a very complex process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=627.0,645.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if we want open publishing to be successful, then we need to ensure that all of those elements can be provided by partners who are not just huge commercial corporations outside the academy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=645.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So on the panel today, we've got a very rich representation of what I think it takes to make a programme like this tick, non-profit partners, library-based infrastructure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=656.0,665.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we simply can't run this program. We we can't run out in the future without this infrastructure, without these partnerships, and small presses, the presses we work with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=665.0,675.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who need a model, who need a mechanism like this, if not ours, but wouldn't like it. They just can't go it alone. They have to partner up with like-minded, mission-driven organizations and leverage that power of collective action.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=675.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I focus somewhat in this intro here on on the question of sustainable funding. I know that's a bit of a personal bugbear of mine, but the word sustainability will probably run throughout which of our discussion today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=688.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, what is sustainable open access publishing in a UK context where I'm based, though I work with global partners, but what sustainable open access for me and my colleagues may look very, very different to what is sustainable book publishing in an African context, for example. And I hope Stephan will be able to talk to us a bit more about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=699.0,718.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it kind of goes beyond the platform providers as well. Collaboration between infrastructures involves a high degree of trust between people and between networks of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=718.0,728.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some interoperability, I can never say that word, some interoperability between technical systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=728.0,734.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also billing partners are like a glue between us all, ensuring we can all stay afloat through reliable funding streams. So I'm going to leave my introduction there. I'm going to hand back over to Sharla and the panel to talk in more depth about all of this. And yeah, please do join in with some questions for us all in the Q\u0026A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=734.0,753.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Tom. And I am going to stop sharing just so that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=753.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, we're all on the screen for everyone. And so, um… folks who joining us today, we're going to just ask some questions and have a conversation. So I'm going to start with the first question. One of the strengths of opening the future is that it works through an ecosystem of services rather than a single platform.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=759.0,786.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From your perspective, what does effective collaboration between infrastructures look like in practice? What makes that collaboration successful for publishers and libraries participating in this program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=786.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who would like to start?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=801.0,806.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I can speak to, you know, on the on the platform side here at Project Muse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=806.0,813.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We already have long-standing relationships with the libraries and the publishers that are, you know, participating in this program, you know, on both sides of the transaction. So, for us, having all of those other partners, like Lyricist in the workflow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=813.0,831.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, really brings us a lot of flexibility and agility as far as bringing on new publishers, new packages, um, without, you know, a long tail to the process. Um, you know, all we have to do is, you know, make sure that we can define the collections, make sure that we can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=831.0,847.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Turn on access for the institutions, um, and, you know, host the books as they publish open access as opening the Future supports them. And because, you know, everything else, as far as hosting an open access book, happens just as a matter of course, it's operational for us to, you know, send the downstream metadata to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=847.0,867.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, discovery and linking partners, you know, vendors like DOAB and other organizations to boost the discovery of those open access books. All of our usage reporting, all of that is, you know, standardized and operational across our models. So, you know, by the time it gets to us, and we just have to essentially flip a couple switches to make a new program work or a new collection work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=867.0,889.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's really advantageous for, you know, bringing on, you know, new publishers and new collections to the model.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=889.0,898.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks, Phil.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=898.0,904.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hi. So yeah, so from African Books Collective, which is a nonprofit distributor of African academic and literary publishers, and I think there are lots of bits of infrastructure that we need to bring together to make this work. So the very small publisher Basler Africa Bibliographian, which is a German language Swiss-based.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=904.0,924.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"scholarly society, a member of African Books Collective, how we publish, essentially publish their books in print and ebook formats. So there's that bit of infrastructure. There's African Books Collective, there's our own ebook platform, um, which is a sort of separate bit of ABC owned by us with a technology partner actually moving to a South African company called Snapplify.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=924.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, of course, working on the front end with you guys, with Lyricist on invoicing, and of course with libraries for dissemination. So really quite a lot of bits of infrastructure coming together in our case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=945.0,962.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jason, do you want to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=962.0,963.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Charlotte. I agree with what other folks have said so far, and I think that I like to think of opening the future. I should introduce myself. Sorry, I'm Jason. I'm from University of Michigan Library, and I'm representing here at Fulcrum, which is the platform that we're using to host Boydell and Brewer, which are just launched an open future collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=963.0,983.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, um, I think opening the future is really cool because it's this… It's like a mutual exchange of benefits among all these different infrastructure, publishing, and library partners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=983.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it lets this exchange of benefits, like the libraries get backlist access, they get measurable impact in terms of more open access books that are being published by small publishers. Presses get predictable revenue, increased reach, like Tom was saying, and then infrastructure partners like us and like Muse and others get, um, we get consistent funding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=996.0,1015.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we get, um, you know, consistent inputs of content to host.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1015.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we also get to be more deeply embedded with each other to learn from each other, and to create this sort of community of practice around technical standards and best practices. I think that's really important. Interoperability of content and aggregation of metrics are areas where I think we need to improve, but that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1020.0,1037.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of collaboration around opening the future can help to drive that forward for small partners like us. It's an area where the large commercial publishers are making progress, and I think that opening the future can help us move forward. So I'm excited about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1037.0,1050.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excel. Yeah, I keep thinking about. The book landscape is so different than the journal landscape, and, you know, there are actually quite a few more publishers of books than there are of journals, and it's that it creates that biblio diversity that so many people like to talk about, but that how important that is in a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1050.0,1070.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"book writing environment, right? That is the lab of that discipline where that scholar is really digging in in that one place, and within the confines of that monograph, and preserving this diversity of relationships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1070.0,1087.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is so important, and otherwise, our alternative is centralization. And I don't know, you know, is that is that good? It helps with efficiencies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1087.0,1098.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it doesn't necessarily help in supporting diversity. And if that's important to us, especially within the scholarly book publishing environment, then we need to find ways to preserve those trusted relationships. Robin, do you have any thoughts about this from a library perspective?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1098.0,1118.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I'll echo what Sharla and everybody else just said, because especially when you're thinking of the smaller scholarly and literary publishers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1118.0,1129.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's too many for any one library to deal with, so we need both consortia, like lyricists, but then programs like Opening the Future to help us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1129.0,1138.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"use our… our funds and our leverage to the best effect to keep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1138.0,1144.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"both the content available and open, but the infrastructure going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1144.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, it's… Libraries just don't have enough people any longer to pay attention to everything, and so we also need to be part of the systems in order to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1149.0,1163.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enough of an understanding, so we know how to fit and where we can fit, and what… what content to support for our own users? I mean, we're a land-grant university at Iowa State, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1163.0,1176.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"open content. follows along with that, but still, we have a need to support also what's actually happening on campus. So yeah, it's hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1176.0,1190.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Robin. Yeah. And this actually kind of goes nicely into the next question about sustainability. Much of what you're speaking to, Robin. So when conversations about sustainability and open access arise, they often focus on funding models.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1190.0,1206.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, just about the money itself. But sustainability also depends on governance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1206.0,1213.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shared standards, best practices, as well as community stewardship. Again, echoing what Robin, what you just said. So from all of your perspective, what needs to be in place to make open access book publishing sustainable over time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1213.0,1232.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I gave that list, but what does it actually mean to you on the ground?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1232.0,1238.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, you know, I don't want to put you on the spot, but Robin, since you were already talking about that, if you have a response ready, please do, but someone else can chime up if they wish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1238.0,1256.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I mean, from our perspective, I very much like this question. I think sustainability, we talk about it a lot in African Books Collective. We've been talking about it for 35 years. You know, we started with donor funding. We now are mostly grant-free. We have odd grants for odd projects, and so on, including we had one, a small one, I think from Larissa's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1256.0,1275.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, you know, I think first of all, sustainability for us is about making nonprofit scholarly academic book publishing and distribution from the African continent's sustainable to core, you know, on its own before we even start thinking about 08 book publishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1275.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I mean, I think it would be hard to argue that academic book publishing in Africa is sustainable. I mean, all kinds of grants float around, but all kinds of problems persist. So that's where we are. But I really like this focus on on governance and stewardship as the kind of vectors of sustainability, which really kind of makes sense in our context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1291.0,1311.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, I like the way you put that, you know, I mean, having the right kind of governance models and stewardship are really, really key and have been in our case for 35 years of activity, you know, when we started as essentially a warehousing, a book warehousing model.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1311.0,1327.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"through to, you know, now we have e-book distribution and so on, and these things have been really, really key and seems to be the right place to start thinking about open access book publishing and sustainability, and I don't think… in many ways, I don't think it's any different from our underlying sustainability challenge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1327.0,1346.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, you know, there needs to be a revenue stream, there needs to be fair contracts and splits between ABC publishers, authors, and so on. I mean, before opening the future, if I may just carry on briefly, the only real sort of open access we had in ABC was from a South African publisher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1346.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"along the lines of a very European model. So funding, you know, research funding by title, by title, and then we would simply host the books, which we were very happy to do, but there wasn't really a mechanism other than the book processing charge, and then we were essentially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1362.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In fact, we had to pay Project Muse to have our open access books on the system. So at a scale that that's never going to work and never going to work outside South Africa, and is never going to work at scale, whereas this is exciting because it's given us an actual mechanism to start thinking about a business model that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1377.0,1395.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That might work in future. I mean, also really to emphasize that, you know, African academic publishers are as interested in open access as any publisher in North America or Europe. I mean, I think that goes without saying the difficulty is how, when most of the money and most of the research grants are still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1395.0,1417.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Stephanie. But who wants to pick up that baton?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1417.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1425.0,1426.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have a couple thoughts. Yeah. When I think about sustainability in this field, I'm an operations guy at heart, so I'm thinking about resilience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1426.0,1435.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, we know, especially at this moment where our budgets are shrinking and everybody's under additional pressure that infrastructure providers do come and go, and different pieces of this ecosystem will not always be there, and new pieces will emerge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1435.0,1448.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to replace them to improve upon them. I mean, that's a good thing, ultimately, but we need to make sure that opening the future and the open access book publishing ecosystem as a whole are resilient to that kind of change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1448.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, and not to beat a drum that everybody's been beating for a long time, but standards are really important. We need to make sure that everybody who's participating in this ecosystem is using them. I mean, metadata standards, KBART, MARC, ONIX, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1461.0,1475.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"metrics like counter that can be easily exported or portable to other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1475.0,1480.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really high accessibility standards using EPUB whenever possible, PDF when we need to, things like that, so that if an infrastructure provider goes away, that the content that they publish can go elsewhere and continue to be hosted and discoverable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1480.0,1493.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that opening the future is really strong on the point of resilience because it doesn't rely on a single infrastructure provider or platform or any one organization or person or entity to, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1493.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To thrive, really. I think it's a really good moment for a program like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1505.0,1510.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's structured that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1510.0,1513.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Jason. Phil.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1513.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, yeah, I think that's a fantastic point, Jason, and, you know, I think in addition to that, operationally, you know, also as a model and as an idea, like, the best way to be sustainable is to, you know, constantly be checking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1515.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ourselves and what we're doing, and what's working, and what's not doing, or what's not working, and making sure that those conversations are not happening in a bubble, and that all the right people are in that room, you know, talking about those things, and making sure that the model is evolving in a way that serves libraries, serves publishers, serves authors, um, you know, moving forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1530.0,1549.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I think because of the infrastructure, the baseline that we have… that we do have, you know, this group of folks that we're all working together on this, you know, really sets it up to grow in that really informed, you know, deliberate way as the model progresses. So, you know, I think that works both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1549.0,1567.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, practically, but also just as, you know, the stewardship of the idea, you know, guiding the… guiding opening the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1567.0,1576.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Robin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1576.0,1579.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes to everything, and… I think also at this point, and it's finally become clear, thinking after our, you know, our, um… our planning meeting a week ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1579.0,1595.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Libraries also need to start thinking about. how we're supporting this new ecosystem we're helping to build. And we're pushing to build. So… Do I always have to spend my collections money on things related to content?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1595.0,1614.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can I rejigger the rules in my library and my institution to let me use the money at my disposal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1614.0,1623.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to support just infrastructure with nobody hollering. Because it's not content. A lot of the rules around what the libraries do is built around making content available here, and it's expanded to making it available here tangibly and online, and now we've been pushing it to online and open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1623.0,1644.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then there's that whole infrastructure problem, and at some point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1644.0,1649.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're going to have to start telling the people we report to that, you know, the money, yes, is supporting the content, which is what the scholars want, but we also have to help support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1649.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everything else. It's not all hidden in a subscription fee now, it's all going to be broken out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1660.0,1669.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a weird way to think about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1669.0,1672.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is. I like to call it kind of this ecosystem approach, right? And.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1672.0,1677.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1677.0,1679.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's always been very invisible, which is why I was so excited to do this webinar of… because we're not representing publishers here as part of this program, and actually, Tom, I was wondering, based on your, your, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1679.0,1693.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"relationships through this program with the publishers that these great folks here represent, but as well as some of the others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1693.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you think they would say, or what have they said about this being sustainable for them and how it's being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1702.0,1712.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of redefined through this program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1712.0,1717.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's an interesting one, because in many ways it's kind of early days for us, right? We're five years in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1717.0,1722.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, when you work in open access. books pretty much the first question you get asked is, you know, it's nice, but is it sustainable? And and I sometimes think about colleagues in other organizations who must be quite thick of hearing that question, and I'm I'm thinking of the Open Library of the Humanities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1722.0,1741.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who've been going for 11 years. I'm thinking of Open, who'd been going for 15 years. Puncton Books, 15 years, Open Book publishers in the UK, 15 years. Like, at what point are we going to stop asking them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1741.0,1753.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is it sustainable? Because. I would question what else is sustainable that we're putting our money into. For example, 1.06 billion in APCs over four years to five companies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1753.0,1766.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's just not sustainable. And, by the way, I can give you the link to the… that number. That's an MIT Direct article.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1766.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's not sustainable. It's just we're not talking about that, because it's the way we've always done it, right? And again, I have lots of sympathy for why we're doing it, because our academic boards are speaking to our, you know, vice chancellors or provosts, or however whatever your structure is. They're our academic colleagues are saying, we need access to these books, to these articles, rather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1774.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So so there's a compelling case for signing the next big deal that will hand over whatever read and publish deal or whatever money we're handing over to five mega corporations, and… I have some sympathy on that, but I also feel like this is definition of madness territory, right? We're gonna… we want to see a different outcome, we're gonna have to do something different, or we're going to get the same outcomes year on year. But only what we're going to do is we're going to see our budgets just disappearing down a hole. There's a really, really cool blog post from the, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1794.0,1824.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Collections librarian at the University of Sheffield here in the UK. Well, he's moved now, but Peter Barr, I'll drop a link as well, but he… He said, what libraries have actually proved they're good at? Because we assume libraries are really good at working with publishers, right? And we are. But what libraries have actually proved at is we're good at finding money, and we're good at finding money for ever increasing ransom notes, and I think we, as a sector, need to think very, very carefully about that sort of and maybe reframe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1824.0,1852.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reframe what we mean by the word sustainable. Did that answer your question? I don't know, I went on a rant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1852.0,1856.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah, I mean, it's… Yes, Tom, and you probably raised some other questions in folks' minds. It's hard. We're all doing the best we can, but whenever we're also looking for creating change, like Robin, what you said about, you know, thinking of this in a new way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1856.0,1873.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's also that level of agency and that ability to be able to do what you really want that aligns with your mission and and you know and with, you know, and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1873.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on a foundation of strategy, right? And long-term strategies. Long-term is we can think anyway these days. Um, Stephanie, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1885.0,1896.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, if I may just follow on on some of Tom's points, you know, I think, how many years do you have to be going to be sustainable? I mean, that's a you know, I mean, I think this is this is very resonant conversation for African Books Collective. Okay, we've hit 35 years, but but you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1896.0,1913.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the stresses, you know, oh, and if we're not sustainable, that's 35 years of work that would disappear. So it doesn't get easier, that. But of course, you prove it by doing it, and I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1913.0,1926.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, in terms of structural change in the publishing sector, which is obviously what Tom's advocating, and I agree with most of the things he says, I mean, I mean, my own experience of this sort of work for 25 years is really all you can do, is going on, doing what you do, and… and… And actually providing an alternative, you know, that promotes the kind of bibiodiversity that you're talking about, that's supporting small publishers. In our case, it's supporting publishers from poorer regions of the world. 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And so they're no longer projects, but established operations, as I think ABC is small as it is and what's you know super gratifying is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1963.0,1986.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's the… response that we get from, particularly from librarians in North America, have been the biggest supporters over time of ABC, and, you know, it's very nice to be involved again in another initiative with that kind of group of librarians. So, so yeah, I would encourage everyone to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=1986.0,2009.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stephanie. Yeah, I mean, I think it's important we ask if something is sustainable. Sometimes I want to come back, especially whenever it's a librarian asking that question. I'm like, well, it's only sustainable libraries actually continue to fund it right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2009.0,2025.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, there is that, and that's really hard whenever you put all that pressure on the libraries to sustain all of scholarly publishing, because they can't. And they haven't, always. Um, the, you know, it's actually the funding mechanisms for all of scholarship are quite diverse. It's not just libraries, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2025.0,2039.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With the open access movement, it's really put the pressure and responsibility on the libraries, and that's really hard to think about. So I'm almost wondering, too, when you ask that question, shouldn't we also ask, is this worth sustaining? Have those two questions side by side to… because.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2039.0,2058.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As stewards of the funds that you're responsible for, you know, in service of those you're at your institution, you should be asking these questions, but also ask, is this worth sustaining? And, you know, and then that brings up other questions, right? And that's where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2058.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, your collection development policies can really play a huge role. But I'd like to move on to the next question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2073.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this one's more about communities. Since we are talking about quite a few communities here, but opening the future ultimately connects the authors who create these books with the researchers, faculty, students, readers, practitioners who read them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2081.0,2098.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, how does your work as like the plumbing, as Tom was saying, of this program, how does your work help strengthen that connection? And what impact are you seeing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2098.0,2112.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, for both authors and audiences, or that the publishers are supporting right now, what case studies, what what impact stories are they sharing with you? Because of being a part of this program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2112.0,2138.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Phil.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2138.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, this… this is not a case study shared by an author. But you know, we at Project Muse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2139.0,2146.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, we have the usage data, you know, both for the backlist books that are supporting, uh, Opening the Future and for the new books that publish, uh, open access because of that, uh, support for those packages. Um, and, you know, it won't come to any surprise for anybody, but, you know, the usage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2146.0,2163.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, for just a handful of open access books, uh, you know, far outweighs the usage that we see for the, you know, for the gated, you know, paywalled books that support that once they launch. So, you know, even just looking at 2025, I pulled these numbers before, looking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2163.0,2181.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or before joining the webinar today, but, you know, one year of content, um, for opening the future for one publisher, um, you know, was viewed in over 190 countries and territories around the world, over 500 institutions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2181.0,2196.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and that's, again, just in 2025 for a handful of titles, really, you know, like a really, um, you know, in the, in the scheme of things, uh, small number of titles, but it's the same story that we see across, you know, any model that's open access on Project Muse, and I'm sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2196.0,2213.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, anybody else who's looking at usage data season 2, where, you know, just a handful of OA titles will completely dwarf the usage for titles that are not. So, being able to demonstrate that, you know, in our reports with, you know, objective data, um, you know, to both our libraries and our publishers, saying, this is what you're supporting, like, that these.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2213.0,2230.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These books were accessed by all these other institutions, all these countries that would not have been able to access them otherwise, you know, it's always, it's a relatively easy story to tell because it's right there in the data.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2230.0,2245.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Phil. And Stephanie and Jason, Jason, yes, I just want to make, so both Stephanie and Jason represent organizations that are very new to opening the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2245.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jason, you already have an answer, but I also want to just give you license to also think about the conversations you've also had with the publishers as they were considering joining this program and what they were hoping might happen. It would be a great way to also share your thoughts around this question. But Jason, please proceed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2259.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, Charlotte, that's a good framing. I mean, we just launched with Boydell a few weeks ago, so we don't have any usage metrics yet, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2275.0,2282.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we will. Um, and I know that they're really excited about bringing their strengths and DFL studies and music, and performance to brand new audiences who don't already have access to these titles. They're really excited about that. Um, and when I think about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2282.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another piece of the community here, and that plumbing metaphor, I'm thinking about what Michigan has tried to do here, what we're excited about is bringing the plumbing to a new neighborhood, I guess, which is other mission-driven publishers who aren't necessarily university presses and nonprofits like Boydell. They are a small employee-owned publisher. They've been around for more than 50 years. They're founded by academics, they publish really high quality content.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2298.0,2323.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, but they're not a university press. So we're really excited that we're able to bring them on board to Opening the Future, and because I think there are a lot of other really small, high-quality publishers who could benefit from participating in a program like this, but… and their options are in order to get that open access content happening in the front list, they'd either have to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2323.0,2344.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do this, or maybe join a large commercial publisher who would have them charging BPCs, you know, be acquired, which is not the future that I'm hoping for for these publishers. So, um, I like that it offers an alternative, and I think that creates a lot of impact that we wouldn't otherwise see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2344.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Jason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2360.0,2363.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I mean, just just to make a few connections. Also, I mean, Michigan State University Press was once upon a time a distributor for ABC, Boydle and Brewer has an African studies list. I say that because I think both those organizations and us and Bas the Africa Bibliography, and I can talk about are all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2363.0,2378.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of interested in academic content from the Global South, and we all know that, you know, the £10,000 BPC model is just not going to work for those sorts of books, if indeed it works for any books. So, I mean, we… when we started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2378.0,2393.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We started on this because Badler came to us. I mean, they published on Namibia, but they're based in Europe, so they're they've got different things going on. They've got Namibian author, it's very rooted in Southern Africa, but they were also under pressure, I think, in a European.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2393.0,2408.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"policy context and in a European academic context to be putting out books open access. And the question is, how do we do this? We're tiny. Have I got any solutions? You know, you're our partner, you're a distributor, we trust you, etc, etc. So, you know, we… And we were also being I think we were approached by Opening the Futures for possible sort of case studies, for possible pilots. So it just seemed to make sense to put all this together to sort of try to meet some of those demands of helping them. Basler raise some funds to enable some of their frontless new, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2408.0,2438.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"deeply original research monographs to come out on an open access basis. And as you say, we're new, so we can't sort of talk about specific outcomes yet. We hope we can do so in a couple of years on something like this. But, you know, I think that that's broadly the aspiration. I think our wider aspiration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2442.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In ABC, in being in this project is really to sort of strengthen and raise the profile of African published academic works more broadly within these communities, you know, which are really quite large from our perspective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2460.0,2475.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And to sort of lead to further demand and take up of African published books in the sort of library ecosystem, and also potentially to help us, you know, get involved in other projects. So I know we're going to do one with Knowledge Unlatched on funding, crowdfunding for open access.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2475.0,2494.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"front list, which is very much under discussion now, probably with a range of different publishers, three or four different publishers, so in a sense, we spread the wealth, but also, you know, diversify this, the output. So, yeah, um, that's… that's enough for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2494.0,2509.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that's very exciting. It kind of gives the the metaphor that we were trying to go with here of kind of a garden, right? And and even at Lyricist, you know, we don't we don't we're model agnostic. We actually think of a diversity of models as really important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2509.0,2525.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and because, you know, you have to find the model that fits how you operate and how you work, and what you're trying to do. And for these infrastructures that you all represent, you represent a wide array of publishers, of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2525.0,2540.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of, um, you know, of these people who have their own communities they are trying to serve, it gets quite complex, and so the more diversity that you can support in that is great, and it's wonderful that Opening the future can be kind of a catalyst for that, and trying to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2540.0,2559.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"um, you know, make that ecosystem more diverse. That's really great. Tom, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2559.0,2566.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what I was going to say, I suppose about all 3 of you. I was originally wanting to jump off from Jason's point, because I think a lot of the time I talk about the model and talking about the kind of the open access, the books, the authors, the libraries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2566.0,2582.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jason made a very good point in pointing out that actually the model is a really useful mechanism for other libraries. Sorry, other publishers to dip their toe in, right? Because he's right in saying the other options out there are kind of limited for the small.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2582.0,2597.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The small guys, the small publishers out there. You know, there's some brilliant models out there, don't get me wrong, like JSTools Path Through Open is a super, supermodel for aggregating publishers and, you know, unlocking books, but they have an embargo. So it's not policy compliant for those countries that have policies that want immediate OA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2597.0,2613.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"De Groy to have, like, a big model whereby you can throw your lot in with them? I'm not really sure how it works. But you know there are options out there. But I kind of feel like the little guys get vacuumed up in the big models, and my worry is that they without a mechanism, they go to the wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2613.0,2629.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when policies do kick in, and I realize in the States that's not such a big deal, because you don't have big policies driving change. But in Europe, it is very, very much it's happening. And there's, you know, it's coming, and it's coming soon. So unless a publisher has a method of being able to be policy compliant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2629.0,2646.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're going to have to turn to the big guys, and that's when we lose that big… that biblio diversity. That's when authors just all go through one or two companies, and I don't think that's great for author choice, and it's not great for scholarship, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2646.0,2658.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2658.0,2660.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks. Yeah, thank you, Tom. No, that's important. And I will say in the United States. Yes, we don't have the the policy driver from, you know, up above in that way. I see the libraries and institutions as more of the policy drivers and in this, and I think that we already know that's that's increasing the more expectations of of publishers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2660.0,2681.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It just goes up and up and up every year of what are expected. Yeah. So I think we'll get hit there just in a different route in the US, as we always do. I want to go to the last question. Opening the future brings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2681.0,2697.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Together, publishers, libraries, and infrastructure providers across different regions and disciplinary communities. We've talked about this a little bit already, but let's look ahead. Where do you see opportunities for this community to collaborate more intentionally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2697.0,2712.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whether through shared knowledge, advocacy, or creating stronger support systems that increase capacity for authors to publish openly. Who would like to start?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2712.0,2733.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dare I say, where do we want the future of opening the future to be? Tom, please?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2733.0,2738.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I feel like I ought to probably jump in here. I'm just conscious that I've been talking a lot, so apologies. I'll keep it short.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2738.0,2746.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So having the future came out of the Copen project, which I mentioned, which was a funded project which in lots of aspects is coming to an end at the end of April, actually, and some aspects of continuing, of course, the model and the program is continuing beyond. But, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2746.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it does mean that I won't be doing this right any longer. And so I've been very conscious that we need that central advocacy. We need the model to still have a life of its own and a momentum of its own. So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2760.0,2773.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're creating a community of practice, or I'm rather grandly calling it a community of practice, but what that really is, in essence, is a meeting place online for anyone who's interested in seeing it continue, anyone who's interested in investing in it, or interested in launching it, or just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2773.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keeping an eye on on the open access models that are out there. So we're going to create a forum that will probably be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2789.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quarterly phone call, a Zoom call or something hosted by Lyricist. Thank you, Charlotte. We have yet to work out how we'll share the Zoom link. We've yet to work out how well people can sign up. But if you're interested in knowing more about this and being part of that community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2795.0,2811.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Drop me an email on… I'll put the email address into the chat a minute, and we'll just add… we'll get in touch with you when we… when we've worked out the details. But in essence, this will be a meeting place for people to work out how to advocate together, how to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2811.0,2826.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, splinter off and work out, oh, well, we might go and speak at a conference about this, let's work that out. How to kind of ensure that the lifeblood still pumps around the model. So please do consider this an open invitation for anyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2826.0,2840.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks, Tom. And I will say this isn't new to this community necessarily as far as like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2840.0,2846.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All of the platform providers and lyricists and just since the beginning of this program was at five, six years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2846.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We started having quarterly meetings where we were all talking with each other, but it was more of logistics, making sure that everything, the workflows were lining up, because it's a very decentralized model in the sense that we are having to make sure we're communicating with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2858.0,2873.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time, for those familiar with the subscribe to open community of practice, which many of the Opening the Future publishers actually are also part of. That community has done really well of something very similar, of a model that can be adopted by many people, but that there's a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2873.0,2888.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a desire for there to be some standards that everyone follows. Um, you know, and that you… there's accountability within that community, and that it brings whoever is interested to… together, so that it's not just the publishers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2888.0,2903.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that are participating in that, but quite a few libraries and consortia that have joined that community, and it makes a very robust conversation and lots of support for the smaller publishers who have adopted that. And so seeing that success and already building off of what this program started with, with us convening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2903.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It makes sense to continue that and to let that be what drives this forward. So, um, I'm pretty excited about that. But as far as the, you know, are there any… is there anything else that Stephanie, Jason, Phil, Robin, that you would like to add about this, Stephanie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2923.0,2945.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I just wanted to go back to what you said earlier, Sharla, about, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2945.0,2950.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no one-size-fitting all. I completely agree. I mean, you know, in our case, we have literature books, children's books, which would never be suitable for anything like this, but for our academic university presses, learner society partners, this kind of approach, you know, seems really productive and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2950.0,2966.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also at risk of, you know, repeating some of what Tom said earlier, you know, we desperately need publishing models that don't depend on author fees. I mean, I think we need them more generally. In the academy, we really do need them in African studies, where we're working with people in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2966.0,2982.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in low-income environments. I mean, you know, this £10,000 or whatever dollar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2982.0,2987.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"book processing fee is catastrophic in developing countries. I mean, you know, it's probably not very good in our countries, you know, we can learn lessons from what's wrong with the journals model that Tom alluded to, and then perhaps try not to simply repeat that in book publishing, which has got to be the, you know, the big.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=2987.0,3007.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The big caution, I think. I mean, I still think, I mean, from our side, the first priority is strong support models for African scholarly publishing in general, journals and books, and ABC is actually launching a small… well, we have launched a small.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3007.0,3022.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Diamond project with journals that we're very excited about and it's coming from a very sort of similar place of promoting academic knowledge from the continent. I mean, the publishers we work with themselves are really not concerned with profit. I think it's really true to say that, you know, there's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3022.0,3039.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're concerned with knowledge dissemination, they're just the concern with visibility, they're concerned with reputation. But you know, in the universities in Ethiopia or Tanzania, you know, they really are not concerned with profit. They're concerned with resources for publishing and visibility, and so that's sort of what we… That's what we're working with. I mean, I just read, you know, getting to a place where we've normalised this idea that you have to pay to publish, which is what's happened with journal publishing, including in Africa, with that happening with book publishing. So we're very interested in being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3039.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in this kind of project that's that's exploring alternatives in practice. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3073.0,3078.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, Stephanie. So not a perspective we all get to hear, although I think there are threads that that ring true for you know of what you might would call like the smaller, even marginalized publishers, even in Europe and the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3078.0,3095.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that, again, that profit doesn't matter, they just want to be able to do what they love to do within those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3095.0,3105.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"driven by those academic, the scholarly principles, right? Jason, did you have, please? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3105.0,3110.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, yeah, I just… my hope is for this community of practice that can be a place where those small publishers can show up and they can say, you know, I have a backlist, I really want to start a front list open access publishing program. How do I do it? And they can get connected with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3110.0,3125.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How this model works and move forward a lot more easily than they would be able to do on their own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3125.0,3132.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3132.0,3137.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I think, um, you know, drawing from the experience of S2O, you know, Project Muse, we started doing S204 journals last year, and it's been really fascinating to see the change in conversation from what is this model to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3137.0,3153.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How do I get involved with that, or how can we do it a little better, right? So that it's not explaining the model, it's, okay, let's get into it, here's how we can make this work, and then you start to see it even, you know, in the workflows, it just becomes operationalized in a matter of course, so this is how it goes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3153.0,3169.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, you know, the community of practice for opening the future is such a great idea because it can really help to, you know, entrench a lot of those norms, and then when you, you know, move on from explaining what the model is, and then start talking about the practicalities on the ground of getting involved and setting up those collections and everything, then you're.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3169.0,3186.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, then you're really running with it. So I think that's, you know, really encouraging next step.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3186.0,3192.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, thanks, Phil. Yeah, one thing that I've I gleaned from that subscribe to open community practice, especially as more libraries consortia started showing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3192.0,3202.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It gives everybody the opportunity to embed trust. Um, within who's participating, within the model itself. We have so little trust these days. And I don't know, Robin, if you want to speak to that, you know, I'm sure many librarians have committee fatigue, um, yet another, you know, volunteer fatigue, all of that, but if we want something different, we're going to have to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3202.0,3226.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"build something different. And so, even, you know, being able to just listen in, um, but it gives you that chance to… to help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3226.0,3235.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make it better, as Phil was saying. So, Robin, I don't know what you think about all of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3235.0,3241.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll just echo everybody. I mean, you know, the the legacy publishers, both book and and journal publishers, have always tended to have a library advisory committee of some sort, you know, and depending on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3241.0,3256.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, how they like to use them. They… they just sit there and listen, or they get asked their opinions, but now, with all of the new… new styles of publishing and the new business models.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3256.0,3267.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They really, really want… librarians in the room. I do a lot of, you know, I'm on the University of Michigan presses, library committee, and S2O Community of Practice, and um…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3267.0,3287.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They really will listen to the librarians, because again, it's all about trust and knowing we're trying to together build something that will be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3287.0,3299.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sustainable. Okay, it's that's the word today. And, um, will help all of our researchers and readers into the future. And so, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3299.0,3308.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even because of those conversations, if mistakes are made or things are misunderstood, intentions are assumed to be good instead of the other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3308.0,3319.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is a problem in today's world at large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3319.0,3322.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And I would also like to say, and you know, I'm one of these that a lot of times it's the same people that come to these.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3322.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or are invited, right? This community of practice is for anyone to come in, and it would be wonderful for librarians at all parts of the library organization. This is a wonderful entry point in learning about open access. This is a wonderful entry point to learn about publishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3330.0,3347.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, to go in, and it's not just about the model, it's use that, you know, and so it doesn't have to be the same people, and I would encourage libraries to start thinking about that for all of these committees and everything that's out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3347.0,3359.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let those new librarians go and learn. We still struggle a lot with libraries. Not everyone in the library even understanding what open access is or why it's important until they get to participate, even though they're not maybe decision makers, they can at least learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3359.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so much and contribute what their expertise is into those conversations, whether that's around metadata, um, around, you know, collections development, whatever that is. Um, I would encourage thinking beyond just who are the open experts, but the ones who don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3374.0,3391.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come and participate in these, and that can also spread the volunteer labor, you know, across a much larger pool of people. I want to close, and I'm mindful of the chat here, and there's lots of questions here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3391.0,3410.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, and we're getting close to the end, but I'm trying to scroll up and if Tom, you've been kind of looking at this, I just want to make sure. Are there any questions that you're aware of that haven't been answered yet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3410.0,3423.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, I'm seeing comments from Tom to see do Brianna, do journal publications have stricter rules than book publications in the United States? I'm currently a third-year student at SLIM at Emporia State, and I'm now learning about open access. I found much more literature on open access policies and journals than in book publishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3423.0,3444.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, Tom, I'd like to ask you about this, because I know within the Copen project, there's a lot of study of all kinds of studies that have been done, but journals just always get a lot more attention than books, whether it's open access or not, and so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3444.0,3462.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's also been… it's more money in a lot of instances at institutions, and so there's more risk. And so there's been more study on it. But but Tom, do you feel like this is true, or is there a myth? Is there actually just as much? It's just harder to find the literature about book publishing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3462.0,3482.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"take it to the chat like a madman, actually. So I feel like I've possibly already answered this for Brianna, but I will articulate it. No, that's okay. Um, my opinion could be wrong, is just that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3482.0,3487.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3487.0,3493.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"over journal articles has been around a lot longer, because the STEM subjects have driven it much earlier, with, you know, good funding, and so article processing fees probably made a lot of sense from STEM point of view, because of the grants that come with it. So… away for books is just a lot younger. It's a lot more recent, um, and it's got a lot more focus just in the last 6 years or so, I think. So that… that's probably the main reason why there's less literature on it, but mindful of time, I'll leave my answer at that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3493.0,3518.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, yes, yes, thank you, Tom. And I'm seeing Josh. Hello, Josh. I've been you've been asking some great questions. Those have been answered. I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3518.0,3528.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so is there anything else? Oh, yes, and Joel, yes, we just learned there are library school students, which is wonderful. Welcome to all of you who are here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3528.0,3546.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and yeah, absolutely. We're all connected here. So reading Josh is being in Kansas. It's the nexus. The geographic center and open access center of this webinar. Okay, so… I want to close. I'm going to just share one other slide as promised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3546.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First of all, thank you very much for joining us today, for listening. Thank you, panelists. This was a wonderful conversation. I really appreciate you taking your time. It was really hard to get us all together, but I'm so grateful that we were able to find that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3566.0,3582.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, this is the first of the five Lear Open Fair webinars. The next webinar, the next one is coming up on Thursday. If you haven't registered for these, please do. They're all being recorded. The the recordings will be shared, and they will also be on this website where the link is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3582.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Um, is on this slide, um, and Jill, if you're here, can you throw that into the chat? Um, and I'll just keep talking for a minute, just so that it's there. Um, but… oh, thank you very much. Sorry, I'm not seeing it on my screen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3601.0,3613.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did. I did, Chuck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3613.0,3616.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But thank you, everyone. I hope that you have a peaceful week, and I hope to see many of you again at the next webinar on Thursday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3616.0,3631.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3631.0,3659.0"},{"id":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864/transcript/92393/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have we stopped recording? Shania.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lyrasis.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3594/collection_resources/168700/file/306864#t=3659.0,3667.0"}]}]}]}